School Busing
(and more of)
4/27 9:09pm
Once again SM is spreading his misinformation...
According to an email sent this afternoon from the Superintendent to all
who choose to support and send their kids to Norfolk Public
Schools... the offer was $30,000 not $20,000 as SM wrote earlier!
"Last night at the Advisory Board meeting the Selectman offered the
School Committee an additional $30K of the expected $90K that the bus
fees would have generated for the schools. This $30K represents the
amount of money that would be generated from the anticipated bus fee
that presently offsets our operating budget. The School Committee
accepted the Selectmen's offer and rescinded its vote to implement a
bus fee in FY'08."
Keep it up, SM... will you EVER get your stories straight??
- PB
4/27 4:20pm
DM,
I am glad to see you finally acknowledge that SC members are actively
supporting Jay Talerman. Jim Lehan would not have made a public
statement at the Candidates Night of the existence of a negative email
campaign unless he had proof of its existence. Jim made a statement that
night that emails have been sent around that asserted that Jim was
against the schools which couldn't be further from the truth. At the
same time Jay Talerman have never acknowledged that SC members are
actively supporting his campaign while at the same time he has
prominently displayed on his web page testimonials from members of
other Town Boards. DM, a theory is an assumption that you plan to test
and probe. There are no assumptions in this situation but rather a set
of actions that clearly demonstrate that Talerman is indeed the "Trojan
Horse" candidate.
On a separate note I was pleased to see last night that the SC decided
not to implement the bus fee. Kudos go out to the BOS and Selectmen led
by Jim Lehan for kicking in $20k towards the [school] budget so that the bus
fee will not be implemented in FY 2008. Just because SC's of other
towns have implemented bus fees to enhance their revenues doesn't make
it right. We have an obligation as a community to make sure our kids get
to school safely and we don't have the sidewalks in place so that kids
can walk safely to school. Also the costs of running the school should
be the responsibility of all taxpayers and we should not be unfairly
burdening those parents with kids in the school, especially those with
large families.
- SM
[I have a problem with the term "Trojan Horse" candidate. Trojan Horse
implies that something is not as it would appear, for the sole purpose of
gaining trust, and will change in nature once accepted. However, the
opinions on Talerman have cited extensively from the record, and in fact
are asking us to vote based on the record! My quandary - if it's part
of the record, can it be said to be deceptive? Can any candidate who
is running on and is being challenged on their public record be said
to be a "Trojan Horse" candidate?
Put another way, we're being asked to choose a candidate based on their
public record. If we do, and they get elected, and they act, as we are
cautioned, in a manner consistent with that record, how is it meaningful
to suggest that we will have been deceived? - Wm.]
4/25 10:04am
Update on the potential School Bus Fee...
The School Committee will attend a
meeting with the Advisory Board on
Thursday, April 26, 2007 at 7:30 PM
At the Norfolk Town Hall - Room 124
As I understand it, the SC will be discussing with the Board alternate
ways of dealing with the bus fee as it has previously been proposed. I
will be attending the meeting an encourage others to as well.
Also, I have contacted the person at the MA Board of Education who
oversees safety concerns and am waiting to hear back.
Regards,
- SR
4/25 9:07am
SM, I see you can't let the teacher contract drop, so here I am
again to counter your claims with facts.
To state that the looming
townwide fiscal crisis in FY09 is due to the teacher contract is
downright silly. First of all the contract is up for negotiation
next year so we do not know what the increases will be beyond FY08.
Second, I urge you to look at the school bugets and town warrants
as voted by town meeting for the past few years. Look at the salary
line item for the schools (which includes the teachers' salaries
as well as the Superintendent's, and all others, and any staffing
cuts or additions). On average this cost has increased 2.4 percent
year on year. Compare that to the town (all non-school related
departments combined) of 6.0 percent year on year increases. It
is clear the contracts called into question aren't bankrupting the
town. Anticipating your next comment, the above figures do not
include any benefits costs on the school side or town side. When
you add those costs in and move the schools portion of the benefits
to the salary line items (comparing salary and benefits costs for
the non-school employees to the same figure for Norfolk Elementary
employees) the schools increase from FY06 to FY07 was 3.9 percent
versus the towns 9.7 percent. I agree with you that this is a very
important election. The town finances are in dire straits and
we all need to work together to solve the challenges we face. I
have heard similar sentiments from others in town and urge everyone
to vote on Tuesday.
JPB, Providing safe transportation for our children to school is,
and always has been, a goal of the School Committee. Buses will
remain available for all children to use next year (unlike what
Franklin is proposing), and remains the safest, most efficient
method of getting children to and from school. The only change
will be families that live within 2 miles of school will have to
pay a portion of the cost if a fee is imposed. To characterize the
introduction of a bus fee as putting children at risk is using scare
tactics to cloud the issue, and simply not true. Also stating that
this is suddenly an issue for the Board of Selectmen at the 11th
hour is incorrect. The School Committee has been in discussions
with town hall since early last fall on the issue and the financial
need the fee will fill, if we decide to charge one, was known to
all parties the first week of January.
Regards,
- DM (School Committee member, voicing my own opinions and not speaking
on behalf of the full committee or any other member)
4/24 10:06pm
Providing safe school buses for our children should have been the 1st thing
funded out of the Norfolk School budget, not the last. It seems to me that
without kids we have no need for the staff. If a parent made such poor
choices they would be turned in to the Department of Social Services (DSS).
The safety of our children was used as a political football to be kicked
into the hands of Jim Lehan at the 11th hour.
- JPB
4/24 6:18pm
PL,
The outcome of this election is important because no matter who is in
the Selectman seat, the Town is going to face a budget shortfall in FY
2009, mainly due to an over-rich Teacher Contract granted by the SC to
the Teachers that doles out on average 6.75% raises. The voters need to
understand how each of the candidates will deal with the budget
shortfall because Lehan and Talerman have dramatically different
philosophical views as to the Selectmen's role is and thus how they
would approach to the problem.
Based on my interpretation of the interviews, Lehan believes that the
Selectmen's job is to balance the budget with the goal of no reduction
in services. In order to do this Selectmen must have strong
knowledge of finance and they must have the leadership skills so they
can effectively push back and get each department to give something up
and share equally in the pain. Lehan stated that "the town only has one
checkbook" and that we collectively work together through the process.
Jim Lehan is Chairman of the BOS and they have balanced the budget
without the need for overrides for two years in a row. Second, they have done
it without reaching into savings (free cash), so in my book hats off to
Lehan and the BOS because they have gotten the job done.
Talerman's approach, on the other hand, is what I would call the lawyerly
"Socratic" approach. In Talerman's view nothing is off the table and
budgets don't matter ("Policy dictates budgets") and all departments
should make their case to the BOS as to why they need additional money.
If Talerman believes that the department made a compelling case for more
money and the money is not available in the overall budget, Talerman
would put the question to the voters in the form of a "pocket override"
for that department. Talerman made the statement "Overrides are a way of
doing business." Talerman's definition of a pocket override is that
rather than have one large override, there would be separate overrides
for each department. Thus each department and Town Board would make
their case and then the voters would decide "a la carte" which override
to support. Sounds kinda good on the surface, democratic and all.
However, as you think it through, pocket overrides could be devastating
because the process would pit special interest groups and Town Boards
against each other; all of them fighting for limited resources. The end
result would be one department cannibalizing resources from others and
we would have a situation where essential public safety services would
be compromised.
Thus it swings full circle back to the role of the Selectmen. In my view
the Selectmen's job to take a business approach to the budgets and
derive the greatest value of service possible from the given
expenditure. (Yes Mr. Talerman, the business analogy does apply - we
the taxpayers are the Towns' shareholders and it's the Selectmen's job to
get he greatest value of services possible for our tax dollars.) After
completing this process, if an override is necessary then the BOS should
propose an override that takes into account all of the public services
required by the public and recommend one override that covers all of
these needs.
Imagine for a minute a Talerman-led budget process where
the Schools got their money but the fire department did not and as a
result they can only have one ambulance on call. Then some day they
receive two 911 emergency calls at same time and can only respond to
one and as a result a resident dies. I know the example is extreme, but
it points to how important the Selectman's job is and why Jim Lehan is
the better candidate. Rather than abdicate the Selectmen's
responsibility to the voters via the pocket override, Lehan understands
that we are all in the same boat together and that its Selectmen's job
to make sure that all essential services are provided to residents.
Thus voters shouldn't be fooled by the Talerman's [Deval] Patrick type
campaign; promising nothing, dreaming of everything.
- SM
4/14 11:24am
DM: As I mentioned in my earlier posts, I do in fact find value in Spanish
and computers. I don't think I ever said that we should charge for Spanish,
which (as you point out) would not be possible. I simply pose the question
to make a point. That is, if we can't afford free busing, then why (as a
town) can we afford free Spanish or free computers?
Perhaps one solution would be to eliminate Spanish, or computers. Would that
be desirable? Probably not, at least not to many... but in terms of which
services are most important to elementary schools, I would say that busing
is more critical than either Spanish or computers. The fact that we are
referring to elementary schools should not be lost in this argument. If we
were speaking of high school students, my opinion might be different. For a
high a high school student (old enough to walk or ride safely and
independently... and being mature enough in their education/career path to
actually determine whether or not a foreign language might be beneficial to
them), I would most likely side more on funding foreign language or
computers, rather than free busing. But that is a separate argument, not
completely relevant, given the fact that we have a regional high school.
Now when I spoke about eliminating safe transportation, I was not creating a
misconception. I said, in fact, "safe, free transportation". We (you) are
suggesting we eliminate safe, free transportation... all the while, still
finding money for Spanish and computers. Nothing has changed that. That is
simply a fact. Please correct me if any part of that is wrong.
But DM, while I have your ear (eyes), and in all seriousness: Would you be
able to share your thoughts on a couple related points? I realize that your
thoughts are your own, and I really do appreciate your participation in this
forum.
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If a fee is due in May, and someone decides in August that they need
bus service (within 2 miles), should the service be available to them?
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If a fee is paid by a resident in May, who in August realizes that
they no longer want the service (personal choice, employment status, moving
out of town), should the fee be rebated?
-
What about mid year changes? Should sufficient portions of the funds
be set aside for rebates during the year?
-
Busing is funded in the school budget for 2006/2007. If a bus fee is
collected in 2007/2008, should the school budget be decreased by the amount
collected from the fee?
P.S. I love when we stay on subject! I didn't have use the "m" word once! ;)
- CB
4/14 9:51am
CB, Regarding charging for Spanish, Computers, or any other program
you may not personally find valuable for the children of this town,
legally we could not charge for these classes even if we wanted
to-which we don't. I'll also reiturate my earlier point that I
don't want to charge for bussing but legally it is an option (for
those that live within the 2 mile limit set by the state of MA) and
we may have to do so now or in the future.
I do want to clear up a misconception that the opponents of this
proposal like to spread. We are not eliminating safe transportation
to school for any child. We agree with Chief Stone that the best,
most efficient, safest, and most environmentally friendly method
of getting children to and from school is to use the bus. I realize
household budgets are tight-it is no different in my home-and that
charging a fee of any amount may cause some families to stop using
the bus. I hope that our efforts to work with town leadership
(which we initiated last fall on this topic
and only last week gained traction) bear fruit and we are able to
avoid having to charge a bus fee next year.
Regards,
- DM (comments made above are my own and do not necessarily represent
those of other SC members or the board as a whole.)
4/13 7:23pm
To CB: Thank you for your last post, and I'm glad we can clear up
our misunderstandings. I thought SO was using those examples to
answer your question regarding the importance of Spanish in the
classroom. But that may just be my inference. I agree that he/she
did not take a stand on which is more important. I was not addressing
that question myself and I am not sure which one is more important.
I think busing is very important as a community, but I also wish
we could fund a better Spanish or other language program as I believe
it would be wonderful for all our children and would enlighten them
in many ways, beyond just the language. It could expose them to
other cultures and traditions and religions and lead to better
understanding between the US and foreign countries. Maybe it would
improve our image on the world stage, which I think is a bit low
these days.
On another note, it looks by the photo and your comments that your
served our country in the past. Thanks to you and to all our troops
that serve our country. Any disagreements about the war are not
directed to the troops that are serving. Our family has a young
relative in Korea on his way to Iraq or Afganistan.
- MGD
4/13 6:25pm
SM, At the next School Committee meeting I'll let John Olivieri
know that you believe he's hatched a diabolical plot to take over
the town. I realize he is a very well travelled and smart man, but
I know John and yes, he is a Senior, but he doesn't have a mean
bone in his body. I think you need to rethink your conspiracy
theory.
He, like all volunteers that make up the School Committee, are
consistently trying to do what is best for the children attending
our two elementary schools and the town as a whole. Personnally I
think you should lay off picking on John, he's a good man with a
pure heart.
Regards,
- DM (School Committee member speaking on my own behalf, not under
the mind control of John or any other SC member for that matter)
4/13 6:01pm
MGD: I'm not angry. Frustrated, yes, but that is to be expected, given
my age ;) Our geo-political differences notwithstanding, I harbor no
ill will for anyone on this forum, in this town, or well... after that,
I can't be sure. President of Iran? Yeah, I have ill will. Kim Jung Il?
Yeah... But you, or SO, or anyone else who thinks I need to spend a
timeout in Canada.... Naaah. Life would be much less interesting if
everyone agreed with me on anything! :-)
I don't think I called anyone the "m word" (I can't believe I just
phrased it like that) directly. I just went back and re-read my
postings, and I can't find the case where I did. I use the term
"moonbat" to generally address people (and their rambling) who are so
pre-occupied with hating George Bush, that everything else falls by the
wayside when they confront almost any subject... Certainly any political
subject.
All of this arose because, when I posed questions about allocating the
limited monies which we have to one program (busing) over another
(Spanish or computers), the responses I received (from you and from SO)
were not at all related to the bussing issue, but rather to George Bush,
and his lack of visiting Canada before being elected. Where did that
come from? I never mentioned Bush, or Canada, or Ambassadors.... I
simply was asking about the priorities of spending limited funds on
bussing versus other programs such as Spanish or computers.
- CB
[Very well, here are a few cases where it was pretty clear to me
from the context that people were being called "moonbats" or worse:
``LD: You very well may be a moonbat, I don't know. Your inclination to
follow the lead in these posts... [...] might qualify you'' and
``So simple in fact, I'm sure even a lost
moonbat could understand it. But, for those who strive for moonbat
status, ''
(4/13 5:18pm)
``the standard moonbat talking points: George Bush this.... Iraq that....''
(4/13 5:09pm)
``Sounds to mean like a moonbat talking point.''
(4/13 9:57am)
In my book, creating an inference that a comment or an opinion voiced
by someone is tantamount to a "moonbat talking point" or calling those who
have chosen to ignore a particular question stupider than a moonbat
is the same as calling them a moonbat and calling them stupid.
And only a moonbat wouldn't see that.
(I'm making a point, I didn't call anyone a moonbat! But it aptly
illustrates the point :-) - Wm.]
4/13 5:21pm
For the record, the tem moonbat, as I use it, can be found in Wikipedia
at:
[here]
Specifically, I use the term is the same light as a local Boston Herald
columnist, Howie Carr.
Boston commentator Howie Carr has been using the term in his Boston
Herald columns and on his radio show since July 2005. In September,
2006, Carr ran a number of segments called "How do you spot a moonbat?"
on his daily radio show, and described a moonbat as "A left-wing nut who
probably suffers from Bush Derangement Syndrome."
- CB
[Having listened to Howie Carr's program (he always struck me as
a liberal hosting a conservative show -- he seemed to be laughing
at some of his callers; it could be quite amusing), I gather
Moonbat is a term of
derision and insult. So how about cutting back on the Moonbat-isms? - Wm.]
4/13 5:20pm
CB - Getting a little angry, are we?? I was responding to your post
where you brought up all the points that you did. And I would imagine
liberals and conservatives and all those in between would agree more
with me and SO than you. Sorry if that makes you upset. But if you
want to have an opinion and call people moonbats, don't expect others
not to disagree with you.
- MGD
4/13 5:18pm
LD: You very well may be a moonbat, I don't know. Your inclination to
follow the lead in these posts... that is to say, addressing not the
issue at hand (Busing versus Spanish - allocating money for 1st
graders), but rather the vitriolic flaming of George Bush, very well
might qualify you for an honorary membership in
"Obama-Osama-Clinton-Oh-Mamma" moonbat club.
One more time... I did not bring up George Bush, or Iraq, or any other
such nonsense. SO did and MGD did and you did.
I raised a very simple question. So simple in fact, I'm sure even a lost
moonbat could understand it. But, for those who strive for moonbat
status, but aren't quite there yet, let me pose it one more time.
Faced, as we are, with limited funds... Faced as we are with having to
cut an expense, if funds can't be found....
Does it make more sense to cut safe transportation, or Spanish for first
graders?
You see...that is, after all, what we are doing: cutting a service
(free, safe bus rides), for lack of funds.
Simple question folks!! And guess what? Your answer will surely
reflect the state of your moonbatness, or not.
- CB
4/13 4:13pm
KP,
Regarding Jay Talerman, you need to ignore all his hand waving and boastful
claims that he makes on his glossy web site and peel back the onion a bit
more.
Jay has just recently used his municipal legal expertise as a Conservation
Committee member to prevent the town pond from being built, ignoring the
will the taxpayers who liked the idea of building a recreational faculty
and approved the construction of the pond at the last town meeting. Jay
Talerman [...] unilaterally filed a lawsuit with the
Commonwealth of Mass to block this project without even first consulting
the Recreation Department and attempting to work out their differences This
sort of divisive power play comes right out of the SC's playbook. We are
tired of the SC and Talerman's divisive power plays and expect more out of
our elected town officials.
Put aside your own hidden personal agendas and
work together for the common good of the town. We don't need more power
plays such as when the SC cancelled a long standing Library Shared Services
agreement without any discussion or even having the courtesy and decency to
inform the Library Trustees before they made their decision. I have been
around town long enough to see candidates like Talerman get elected based
on fancy slogans and it's only after they are in power that we learn about
their hidden personal agendas. So I repeat again beware of Talerman the
"Trojan Horse" Candidate. This analogy has more levels than just his
strong affiliation with the SC and their common ideology.
On his web site, Mr. Talerman boasts that he was responsible for securing
$440,000 in funds for the town from the 40B condo project being built in
the town center. Note however that the $440k can only be used for
affordable housing. I can recall at last year's town meeting there was a
stealth warrant up for vote to establish a special fund to hold the $440k.
So I took the meeting floor to find out why we needed a special fund in the
first place and the surprising response was the restricted fund was
required because the legal agreement (we now know this was drafted by
Talerman) specified that $440,000 could only be used to build affordable
housing. I pressed George Hall the town counsel and he affirmed that the
money could not be put back into the general fund therefore the town needed
a special fund. So picture this, the town is on a real tight budget with
many needs; the $440,000 could have been used for the schools or to
establish a vehicle stabilization fund but instead the town is being forced
to spend the money to build affordable housing for those that can't afford
to live in Norfolk. The taxpayer is already sufficiently funding affordable
housing through the Community Preservation act and the CPA fund has around
$3 million in it. So I don't know why Mr. Talerman and the other powers to
be made the decision to divert $440k of taxpayer money and give it away to
others
In my book Mr. Talerman's actions represent a form of creeping socialism
that unfortunately is all too prevalent at the town level. Boards such as
the CPC have giving away your tax dollars to others in the form of outright
grants. So before you cast your vote, I would caution voters to look
beyond Talerman, the slick well spoken candidate and really study his
political ideology and prior actions.
- SM
4/13 11:34am
From KL: (it bears repeating)
"I hope everyone will take the time to find out more about Jay Talerman: His
municipal experience, his long range vision, and his global understanding of
all of these issues would make him a huge asset to this community, be you
old, young, with children in the school system (or not), concerned about the
moonscape and its frustrating lack of progress, or concerned about Norfolk's
dwindling open space.
Other towns pay lots of money for Jay's expertise; you know that old saying
about the cow and milk?
Please take the time to learn more about Jay Talerman.. "
Agreed... I find it very amusing to picture Jay Talerman as anyone's "Trojan
Horse" (SM). If anyone has ever met Jay or heard him speak intelligently
on how he wants to improve Norfolk for everyone, they would know that no
one is "using" Jay Talerman. There is no conspiracy, SM. Jay is an
intelligent, experienced individual and, IMHO, the best candidate for
Selectman. Things need to change in Norfolk, and not just in the weeks
before an election. Vote for Jay Talerman and Norfolk will surely benefit.
- KP
4/13 9:57am
SO: Hmmmm... treading lightly (hoping not to aggrevate your blood pressure),
perhaps it would be best for you to take a seat before reading this reply?
:)
I find comfort in my argument, when my opponent's best recourse is to divert
the subject away from the critical points at hand (grin), and so I must
ponder what these thoughts have to do with the proposed busing fee, or
first grade foreign language instruction:
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The pre-election travel itinerary of a president who is now into his
7th year in office
-
Sounds to mean like a moonbat talking point. Can you please tell me
how many countries Abraham Lincoln visited? Well... don't bother goggling
for the answer because my question is rhetorical. Who cares! Their vacation
history means nothing to me... and it seemed to mean little to the Americans
who voted Bush into office, over a host of worldly contenders, twice.
-
The travel history of a person appointed to an ambassadorship of a
country as far away and as culturally alien to us as.... Canada
-
Canada? Are you serious? We are talking about the same Canada,
right? Just how different is Canada, in that it should require some prior
acclimation to the culture? American ambassadors represent the USA, they
don't represent the host nation. Do you have data on the ambassadorships of
Clinton, and how many might have also lacked such critical prior
qualifications? If so, let's do a comparative analysis, just to be fair (and
balanced), ok? Or, is this simply another moonbat talking point, thrown
like most political bombs, with the intent of diverting the argument away
from the points at hand.
-
The expectation for our soldiers, fighting a war in a foreign land, to
necessarily speak the indigenous languages and dialects of the opponent.
Do you understand how ludicrous this expectation is? Do you honestly
expect that the brave men and women who get on a plane in the dark of night
to put their lives on the line four our liberties, only to get off in a
foreign land, should have to be fluent in the indigenous dialects of the
lands into which they are placed to fight? So that, yesterday they must have
spoken German, today they must speak Arabic, and tomorrow they should speak
Chinese, Spanish, Russian, or some tribal dialect from Sudan?
Regarding "I have traveled fairly well, and am decent in a few languages..."
Well, good for you! I now see your point... "Everyone, from the President
to the foot soldier, should be like me"
I understand that... I don't agree with it, but I understand where you are
coming from.
Look, I could go on and on, but having the Wm slice my post in half (linking
to another page) is frustrating, so let me get back to the subject at hand:
the busing fee.
The school department has a budget.
The school department has many costs.
One of the costs is teaching Spanish to first graders.
One of the costs is transporting children safely to school.
Given a budget which is not sufficient to cover the costs, which of these
two costs (above) would be more important to fund?
Which, then of those two costs should be more dependent on the school
departments ability to raise additional fund?
It is as simple as that!
And you know, I have to ask (since you have such an obvious exposure to
language diversity): At what age/grade did you first encounter a structured
language instruction? Was it first grade? Was it Junior High? High school?
Was it a public or private school.
Seriously, I would be interested in your answers, unless your blood pressure
now is begging you to cede the argument. ;)
(Wm: I know this is long... but please, at least initially, leave it intact,
so that they have a chance to read it without having to leave the page.
Thank you :))
- CB
4/13 8:45am
KL -
Where do you get that info? The BOS can suggest a budget % increase but the
School Committee can still propose their own budget to the Town Meeting.
- PC
4/12 10:54pm
For PC - The Selectmen tell the School Committee what percentage
increase their budget needs to come in at, based upon the year before.
This year, the Selectmen told the School Committee to come in at 0%
(level funded). The School Committee came in at 0.8%. (Keep in mind that
energy costs, salaries, etc have been rising at a rate between 6-8%, and
last year the Schools came in at 2.something %, again, essentially a 5%
cut)
The taxpayers have no idea of what the other departments have come in
at, as the Selectmen have yet to publish any other Department's budgets.
And SM, it's no secret that Jay Talerman supports the schools; it is
right there on his website for the whole world to see at
jaytalerman.com.
Jay is campaigning with the following goals:
1) An efficient Town Hall
2) A Healthy School System
3) Preservation of Open Space and Smart Development
4) Housing and Tax Abatement for Seniors
Jay Talerman's contact information is on his website, so I am sure
anyone with any questions can contact him for more information. There is
also Candidate's Night where questions about any of the above can be
asked of either candidate.
I hope everyone will take the time to find out more about Jay Talerman:
His municipal experience, his long range vision, and his global
understanding of all of these issues would make him a huge asset to this
community, be you old, young, with children in the school system (or
not), concerned about the moonscape and its frustrating lack of
progress, or concerned about Norfolk's dwindling open space.
Other towns pay lots of money for Jay's expertise; you know that old
saying about the cow and milk?
Please take the time to learn more about Jay Talerman..
- KL
4/12 10:02pm
Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't the School Committee propose any budget
amount they want?
The Selectmen don't decide what gets spent, Town Meeting does!
- PC
4/12 10:00pm
SM - You know, for a person who seems to think that the School Committee
are Norfolk's own version of the Keystone Kops, you give them an amazing
amount of credit for being able to manipulate people. They can't
balance a budget, they are being abused by their vendors, but they have
gained control over DM and now they have managed to pull a Jedi Mind
trick to get a guy into running for Selectman so that they can run the
whole town from their ivory tower. Talk about a conspiracy freak! [...]
With citizens like
you I am surprised we can get anyone to run for what are essentially
volunteer jobs.
- DCL
4/12 9:09pm
SM and RC, you guys are like Mutt and Jeff. Everyone knows that the
School Committee would support anyone or anybody except Jim Lehan. No
big secret there. Many people think it would be a refreshing change to
replace Mr.Lehan with the hopes that the divisiveness and bickering
subside between the Selectmen and ALL the boards.
Maybe with a change the Selectmen would actually produce some revenue
for Norfolk for a change. And by the way, Jay Talerman can't raise
anyone's taxes more than 2-1/2%, same as Jim Lehan. The difference is,
Jay Talerman might actually allow us the right to VOTE again on
important matters in this town!
- PB (the other)
4/12 8:11pm
SM, if the webmaster allowed us to be snarky and personal, I would say you
need to increase the dosage, your paranoia is getting out of control.
I'm against extravagent spending from the schools to the Taj Ma Library to
the DPW, and I'm supporting Jay because I've had the pleasure to work with
Jay both in town, and in his professional life, and I've found him to be a
straight shooter who tells it like it is and has a wide breadth of
experience in other communities to draw from which will help him avoid many
of the mistakes other towns have made.
It's the grand conspiracy theories and balkanization of town government
that's dysfunctional, and I think Jay is the best candidate to break through
that.
- RJG
4/12 4:26pm
RC,
I too hear that SC members have been openly supporting Jay Talerman. I also
heard that SC members have been sending out emails supporting Talerman. Yet
Jay Talerman doesn't openly acknowledge their support on his web site
even though his web site contains testimonials from other town Boards .
Thus it would seem that Mr. Talerman is the School Committee's "Trojan
Horse" candidate for the Selectmen. This is very disconcerting because we
need fiscally prudent selectmen that will make the tough decisions.
Otherwise we will be facing overrides every year. Can you imagine what a
financial mess we would have if the "Senior Members" of the SC were using
Talerman as a surrogate and were secretly running the town government?
Instead of cheering another year of no overrides we would be suffering
through another year of our annual overrides. Talerman has made it already
made it known - spend more money on everything and then send the bill to
you the taxpayer. This guy Talerman and his School Committee puppeteers are
scary.
- SM
4/12 12:14am
SM - You really should get out more. Bus fees were discussed with
the public well before April 3. They were discussed clearly at their
February 6, FY 2008 Budget Presentation to the public. I know because
I was there. I guess you weren't. And to prove it, go to the Norfolk
Public Schools website and click on the link to the FY 2008 Budget
Presentation right there in the middle of the page. Then go to slide
(page) 3 and see transportation fees listed at $30,000. They
explained verbally that $30k was an estimate of new busing fees
that they were planning to impose rather than make further cuts to
programs or staff. (They also disclosed at that meeting that they
were cutting 19 teacher aids to reduce costs to maintain a level
funded budget required by the Selectmen.)
Prior to Feb 6, there had been a lot of talk about potential bus
fees. But the Selectmen never offered to bring it into the town
side of the budget for all those months. And like I said, implementing
or not implementing bus fees does not change the fact that Boardman
St. has been unsafe for cars, buses, children, seniors, pedestrians,
neighbors for years. Why didn't the Selectmen improve Boardman St.
before? Why are they suddenly now concerned with safety? ... right
before the election... hmmmm...
- DD
4/11 7:16pm
TIS--Yes, there is a fundamental flaw in the way we fund our school
system and it is not going to be fixed by our town. The bottom line is
that the system is broken and this needs to be reviewed at the state
level. Five years ago, in 2002, Massachusetts led the nation in cutting
funding to public education. Those cuts have yet to be restored. In
order to be funded at the 2002 levels, $492 Million would need to be
pumped back into the system and that is adjusted for inflation.
Further, you should know that MA relies more heavily on local taxes to
fund public shcools than almost every other state in the country. Most
school systems in other states receive a greater percentage of funds
from state sources. Also, MA spends less, as a percentage of personal
income, on public education than every other state in the Northeast,
ranking MA 38th out of 50 states. Bottomline is that MA needs $1
Billion to be funded at the national average.
How did we get here? Obviously the economy in 2002 was a huge factor,
we also have MCAS and No Child Left Behind (NCLB) mandates. NCLB needs to
be funded better from a Fed'l level and the state needs to put it's
money where it's mouth is. Also, the formulas for funding such things
as Special Ed are seriously flawed. Consider a child at KP who needs to
be educated out of district at say $150k to $200k. We, the district,
must pay $30k and then 28% above the circuit breaker. That is say $150
k minus $30k times 28%. We all must pay for the education of all
students and the formulas put too much of a burden on individual
districts.
What do we do? We all need to get involved and start lobbying our
representatives. A number of us who comprise a local chapter of Stand
for Children recently met with Rep Ross and Sen Brown. We've also been
talking to the superintendents and school committee members of the
regional district as well as Norfolk. Both committees have legislative
liasons who are also tackling the issue with the reps. A number of us
have written letters to various members of the senate and house as well
as Gov. Patrick. We are asking that formulas be reviewed and the fat
taken out of the spending so money can be devoted to education.
There is a rally at the State House on 4/25. We'd love to fill the bus
from Norfolk. I think we have 25 so far and have space. We'd love to
have you join us not only at the rally but working at the local level to
bring more money into the district.
Please note, all statistics have been gathered from the DOE web site or
provided to us by Stand for Children a nat'l as well as state
organization.
- BS
4/11 7:15pm
SM - At the public hearing on the bus fees, Jack Hathaway flat-out
refused to offer any aid to the schools. And now, two weeks before the
election, the Selectmen "find" an extra 30K?? Call me cynical, I
guess...
But you know what? Maybe I'd be a lot less cynical if Mr. Hathaway and
the Selectmen showed the town the other Department's budgets. Why is it
that only the school budget is public at this point?
And how 'bout certifying the free cash? Hear they still have yet to
comply with the Commonwealth. And the Selectmen talked about how "Jane
Wall really burned the midnight oil" to comply with these requests. If
Jane Wall has a year to complete the process, and needs to "burn the
midnight oil" to get the job done six months after the fact, maybe the
taxpayers deserve someone more qualified, no? And where was Jack
Hathaway through all of this?
How can you defend this administration?
- MKL
4/11 7:14pm
I would like to thank the people who made full day kindergarten available to
everyone who wants or needs it. As a parent of three children (and living
within a mile of HO Day School), I will potentially be paying for three kids
to ride the bus. Although I would rather not have to pay over $400 for this
service, I am willing to do so. Frankly, I am somewhat surprised that this
is such a hot issue in a fairly wealthy town. I don't think it is unfair to
charge the consumers of the school system a fee for transportation and it
has become common practice in most towns. Families that are experiencing a
financial hardship due to the fee should be able to apply for a waiver. If
anything positive comes out of the dialogue, I hope it is a proposal to add
sidewalks.
- CS
4/11 7:11pm
I was a little surprised when I had to listen to a SC member on the
phone, trying to get Talerman votes and room for a Talerman sign in my
yard. With all the issues (criticism) that is being laid at the door of
the SC one would think that 1) their time could be better spent and 2)
politicking for a Selectman seems to me to be a little incestuous.
On
another note with the cost of the software. Hypothetically speaking, if
you need approval for capital outlay for a purchase above (lets say)
$5000, one might tell a vendor to invoice us now for (lets say) $4000,
and over the next couple of years add the additional purchase price,
interest and maintenance fees into a yearly contract (62% of the
original cost). Typically a business would not incur an expenditure
until there was a need for it (busing software). Now it looks like we
own software and a maintenance contract and there are second thoughts
about charging a busing fee. Where does that leave us with our
software. School Committee, your responsibility is to The Children of
Norfolk. Nobody Else.
- RC
4/11 5:36pm
SM - Hi, You posted "all of the Selectmen support this proposal not just
Jim Lehan who is running for reelection." You posted that in reference
to putting the bus tax in the General Fund. Where are you getting this
information from? I re-watched the selectmen's meeting and the only one
who offered their support was Selectmen Lehan. Please inform us how
you came to the conclusion the other selectmen support this. Thanks!
- LS
4/11 5:35pm
DM (SC Member) - The one thing perplexing to me is why "road repair" is
in the School Budget. If the SC is bent on putting something in the
General Budget then this should be it.
SM - the Selectmen have not
offered anything, so don't jump to any conclusions. Watch the meeting.
Are SM and DM related? Find other ways to bring in 16K in revenue to
the schools.
- LS
4/11 4:50pm
TIS & DV: Excellent points.
Related: I thought that I had read in the Boomerang that tonight the
subject will be discussed again in a follow-up meeting. Now, having
re-read the article, it looks like the meeting I was thinking of is in
fact a budget subcommittee meeting. Is that correct? Does anyone know
here and when that meeting will be, and if it is open to the public?
- CB
4/11 4:47pm
TIS, Unfortunately I don't have an answer for where we go from here.
That doesn't mean we can't stop looking. The best solution that I do
know to help alleviate the problem is to get involved with the state
funding of education. For a state known as "Taxachusetts," it is
embarrassing how little is spent on education. Groups like Stand for
Children and others are addressing this issue and lobbying the state
government to address this situation. In addition, members of the
School Committee and Dr. Augusta-Scott are working with the state
legislature on a number of initiatives to help get more money for state
and educational aid for Norfolk.
Beyond some other large influx of funds, such as commercial
development which has its own problems, money for running the town and
schools must come from the state or our pockets. The current model that
Norfolk has chosen to adopt is to cut and cut and when the finances get
completely desperate (after 2-3 years of tightening already razor thin
budgets) ask the townspeople for an override. Such a cycle at best
restores the town to an acceptable level of funding for that one year
and then the slide towards financial crisis starts all over again.
Regarding the bus fee, contrary to some posts I am not looking
at this as a source of funds other than to offset a huge liability that
we are not legally obligated to pay for. I have said this before and
will do so again here: I do not want to charge a bus fee, however we
cannot continue to fully subsidize over a quarter of a million dollars
for bussing every year that we don't have to at the expense of classroom
instruction. This is the case whether the budget is part of the school
line item or moved to the town in my opinion.
Regards,
- DM (School Committee member-speaking on my behalf and not that of the SC
or any other members)
4/11 4:01pm
WB and DD,
I don't see how you can claim that the Board of Selectmen's offer to
absorb $30k into the town budget to cover the bus fees was politically
motivated. First, the Board of Selectmen couldn't act on this issue
until after the School Committee held its public hearing on 4/3 so they
could see where things stood. Second, all of the Selectmen support this
proposal not just Jim Lehan who is running for reelection. Third, both
the SC and BOS recognize that in order to solve our financial challenges
they need to work together and this offer by the BOS is the type of
teamwork that Norfolk needs.
DM, a SC member, recognizes this and to his credit in his last post he
stated "I'm glad that Jack and the Selectmen have taken up the
proposal discussed at the School Committee public hearing on 4/3.
Several parents suggested this, and we requested that Jack bring this
back to the Selectmen for them to discuss and decide upon. This recent
interaction is a great example of how we can work together to solve
tough problems we face as a town."
- SM
4/11 3:59pm
I think that everybody discussing the bus fee issue needs to put things
in perspective. I do not care whether the decision to not charge a bus
fee comes from the school committee itself or the Town Selectmen, as
long as it comes, and we do not have to pay this bus fee, and people can
start talking about things that really matter in this world like the
loss of lives in Iraq including one from our own town. Pray for the
family of the lost soldiers and stop ripping each other apart over
$150.00. In the end, it really doesn't matter...
- SD
4/11 3:27pm
Even if school drops the busing issue this year nothing will prevent
them from bringing it up next year. They see it as potential revenue
stream, with the crunch they are in, you can't expect them to ignore
this stream for very long.
The way the school system is setup, they need 400K-500K every years to
keep the same service level. This model is essentially flawed, the town
revenue doesn't grow this amount every year, and with the real estate
market in the slump. The town would be lucky to pull current level of
revenue for next few years.
So my question for DM is where we go from here? The current model is
unsustainable, every year we spent six month wondering how we will fill
the budget gap, perhaps we should also start thinking about long term
solution to this chronic problem.
- TIS
4/11 2:39pm
I may be wrong here, but if the town took over the payment of the bus
fees and wrote it in to the taxes, wouldn't that be a way to sread it out
to all of us, not just the families within two miles? I would think that
would be a way around the law. Again, let me state that I live outside
the 2 mile limit.
- DV
4/11 2:33pm
Kudos to WB for seeing the "selectmen's generous offer" for what
it really is - an 11th hour grab for votes. The busing fee issue
has been discussed and considered for months, even years now. Why
didn't the Selectmen decide to step up to the plate months ago to
avoid the bus fee issue for the good of the community? Let us count
the reasons why:
1) As WB pointed out, it is no secret that Selectmen
and the school committee have been at odds for a long time now.
The Selectmen have stated that the school committee should cut
programs and increase class sizes to maintain a zero increase in
the school budget this year and years past. Thus, the Selectmen
failed to see the busing issue as a community issue and preferred
to pin busing costs on the school committee as their responsibility.
2) Why is there no money for the school committee to maintain the
programs they have and avoid bus fees? Because the Selectmen have
failed to bring in any real revenues to Norfolk. They have failed
to work hard to bring in grant money and find significant revenue
generating ideas to alleviate the funding crisis for all our
departments, not just the schools.
3) If the Selectmen are so
concerned with safety, all of a sudden, why has Boardman St. in
front of the school been so dangerous and poorly maintained for
many years? People on that street have complained about the safety,
bad sidewalks, pot holes for years. It fell on deaf ears with The
Selectmen. (Maybe inaction is what the Selectman consider responsible
town government and fiscal prudence.)
Now suddenly, three weeks
before the election, they see the light! Come on! School busing
should be a community responsibility. The roads and sidewalks around
our schools should be safe and well-maintained. The Selectmen should
act as leaders and rise above conflict instead of getting mired in
it. These things are what we demand as a community and the Selectmen
should have stepped up to the plate a long time ago to act on these
concerns. Don't be fooled by their sudden magnanimous gesture, after
all, there is an election right around the corner...
- DD
4/11 2:29pm
The bus fee: I know that we always want the very best education for our
children. Who doesn't? I know I do. The fact of the matter, however, is
that we also have to live within our means. Now, I have heard it
mentioned in previous posts, how dreadful it is to have had this
particular program or that cut from the school's curriculum. One example
of this would be the fact that in HOD (where I have a first grader)
Spanish language education is now only taught for half of the year. But
I ask you, is this really all that bad?
Don't get me wrong, I find it adorable that my little seven year old can
count in Spanish, and I understand completely how such a skill will
undoubtedly become more and more of an asset to her as we lose our
national identity to ever growing waves of illegal immigration...
But I digress.
My point is only this: Old as I am (44), I never experienced foreign
language education until I was in the 8th grade. Do I find it helpful to
offer it sooner? Sure. But to do so cost money, and if we are saying
that, given limited funds, it makes more sense to cut busing than it
does to cut Spanish (or computers) for our elementary schools... well
folks, if that is the case, I'm afraid our priorities are askew.
My belief is that the new "fee" has nothing to do with busing, but
everything to do with finding new and creative ways to suck a little
more blood out of the tax payers of Norfolk. The ridiculous expenses for
software, related to the busing, bears this fact out.
I missed the first SC meeting, but I will be attending tonight. I hope
that every concerned taxpayer in Norfolk is there as well. Even if you
have no children in school, or no children impacted by the fee, your
real estate taxes are by and large directed to the school system. The
fact that the SOC is attempting to institute this fee simply means that
your and my tax dollars, formerly used for busing, can now be spent in
other ways.
- CB
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